I joined Poland’s TVP World on Tuesday to analyze the state of Europe’s planning for Ukraine’s security after an end to Russia’s invasion. The 14-minute conversation begins with European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen’s statement on Monday of a “clear road map” and “an agreement in the White House”. She spoke of potentially tens of thousands of European-led troops, supported by American command and control systems and intelligence and surveillance assets. I consider the state of the discussion between European, Ukrainian, and American militaries and politicians. I explain why Germany has pushed back against Von der Leyen for publicizing the possible arrangements.