An outbreak of measles—a disease once declared eliminated in the US—has hospitalised 91 people in Texas, killing two unvaccinated school-aged children. Measles epidemics once represented a public health crisis, but today the disease represents a different kind of affliction—one that is both psychological and cultural in nature, and one that is surprisingly resistant to intervention. Specifically, Murray cited Rogan’s interviews with Daryl Cooper, a podcaster who has argued that Winston Churchill was the “real villain” of World War II, and comedian Dave Smith, who appeared on the podcast with Murray, and whose taste for criticising Israel has never inspired him to pay a visit.