One of the things that I talk about in emotional agility is that thoughts are just thoughts, emotions are just emotions. SARAH GREEN CARMICHAEL: Well, and that kind of gets to something I feel like I need to ask you before we wrap up which is, if the goal of emotional agility is not to feel sunny and happy, because we’ve talked about the pitfalls of trying to force yourself to be happy, what is the ultimate goal of emotional agility? SUSAN DAVID: Firstly, the goal of emotional agility is, I think, for people to get off any stage by which they are struggling with their thoughts and emotions.