TOMAS CHAMORRO-PREMUZIC: More or less 20 years since McKinsey introduced his phrase, or idea, of the war for talent, which is I think a very good premise– the idea that people are a key treasure, if you want, a valuable asset of organization. SARAH GREEN CARMICHAEL: Well, tell me a little bit about how you think this war for talent became a war on talent, because I think– have you seen a sort of worst-case scenario of the war on talent? TOMAS CHAMORRO-PREMUZIC: Managers and organizations can do more to make jobs more relevant to people, and that means understanding what individuals are really like– understanding their values, their drivers.