MIHIR DESAI: One of the great things about optionality is that it’s something that people in finance love to talk about. SARAH GREEN CARMICHAEL: One of the other things I thought was interesting was the way you kind of reframe debt and talk about debt in the book. SARAH GREEN CARMICHAEL: So if we could do one other historical detour, I think one other thing that people may not be as aware of is the role that finance played in the French Revolution.