PHIL KNIGHT: That’s right, that I took a class in entrepreneurship and took the running shoe idea with the thought that: why are shoes, why are the quality of running shoes made in Germany? PHIL KNIGHT: Yeah, I don’t remember the exact time but he came back with some shoe ideas and it was quite clear that he was thinking broader, more broadly than just in terms of the shoe. PHIL KNIGHT: I didn’t say he hated Nike, I just said he thought they were the worst shoes in the world except for everybody else’s, and I think he’d still think the same, yes.