CURT NICKISCH: In those early management years, how much time do you think you spent managing your teams work and product, and output and how much time do you think you spent managing people? And I know a lot of people who I believe have all of the skills to be a great manager, but if that’s not the thing that you get a lot of joy or passion out of, if the role of managing and which again, to me is very simply defined as helping a group of people get to the outcomes and the goals that you’ve set. There were moments there when I remember even very distinctly, I would sit in on these interviews with other design managers and these were managers that had had experience managing a team of maybe 100 to 200.