My experience is that so many people are so well versed in planning that for most people, I would venture to guess for 80 percent of the people, if you have them clarify the what and the why, they’ll lay out the steps. RICHARD BOYATZIS: Then you contrast it to another high tech company of that era, this is a number of years ago before each of these people retired, but Larry Ellison at Oracle, where they made a lot of acquisitions and almost all the key people left before they even signed the documents. ALISON BEARD: Well, I feel like I’ve gotten a little bit better at coaching other people after working with you on this article.