CURT NICKISCH: Here’s the question though, is that trend towards the materialization fast enough because we are at a time when we see the rising temperatures and we see environmental changes that are happening at a worrying pace that even with this growth, even with population growth, you can see how dematerialization these technological trends are helping. CURT NICKISCH: So, just to put a point on this, the really promising trends there in commerce and technology, and you have a lot of hope that some of these are going to stack on themselves and accelerate, but it still making a difference in stemming climate change, or addressing other environmental concerns, really comes down to business and government decisions in your view.