CURT NICKISCH: 10 years ago, back around when you sold your company, the creative economy, creative class, that was a popular concept. CURT NICKISCH: So amid these changes we now have the COVID-19 pandemic, which has changed how creative people work, how everyone works, how everyone works together. I mean, I always like to call creativity the world’s greatest recycling program because it’s people going out in the world seeing things, mistakes of the eye, other people’s creative work, traveling, culture, clashes of culture, subculture, all of this type of stuff.