But over the 20 years or so that I’ve been involved in doing this type of work before Flagship, what I had come to observe is that the kind of innovations people are working on end up being really focused on adjacencies. NOUBAR AFEYAN: As a leader, you can’t expect people to persistently say unreasonable things if you’re not willing to say unreasonable things, or laugh at the unreasonable things you’re saying, or admit that some of them turn out to be grossly mistaken. CURT NICKISCH: Yeah, one of the things you mentioned in the article is that the great thing about working on a nonadjacent space like this is that you can patent everything as you go and own that space.