If we go back to 2010, the world’s largest companies were oil companies and car companies and telephone and electricity businesses. Of course the very first ones of these, were the phone companies like AT&T, but more recently, it’s been the companies in the tech industry who build operating systems and the operating system has a network effect. AZEEM AZHAR: Well, I think one of the most important ones is to say to companies that have now found themselves effectively running our day-to-day infrastructure, that you look like infrastructural companies.