And w hat I would also say is that somebody who is a gaslighter, it’s likely just not that one time or to that one individual, there likely is a pattern, but the individuals who are the targets of gaslighting aren’t necessarily talking to each other because the gaslighter will do a really good job of making that person feel really isolated and alone. MITA MALLICK: One of the other things I recommend is, using the same example, Curt, you as a leader, who’s watching me be the target of gaslighting, is for you to also be documenting things that you’re seeing, and for you to come with me to HR. CURT NICKISCH: Mita, there are people listening to this who are the offenders, they’re the gaslighters.