Her research shows that companies move toward DEI maturity in five stages (aware, compliant, tactical, integrated, and sustainable) and each takes time to work through. So we get into a room with the senior leaders of many companies, and it’s the first time they’ve ever had an explicit conversation about what diversity means to them personally and as a company and how they even imagine diversity, equity, and inclusion showing up in their company. I’ve seen companies that have limited resources and maybe they’re focused on grassroots efforts within the company to implement their DEI strategy, be able to be more effective and impactful than companies that are spending hundreds and thousands of dollars a year.