KELLY RICHMOND POPE: One of the things that I wanted to achieve with the book is changing this narrative around all people steal for money and all people are like a Bernard Madoff or Skilling from Enron. CURT NICKISCH: You had an amazing story in the book of an accountant who was working for a company approving a lot of these things, doing their job, was fired as some stuff came to light to the board or higher ups in the organization. CURT NICKISCH: That’s Kelly Richmond Pope, Professor at DePaul University and author of the new book, Fool Me Once: Scams, Stories and Secrets from the Trillion Dollar Fraud Industry.