Even for a people manager, the next step is to be a manager of managers. ALISON BEARD: You mentioned the layers, the manager of managers, the manager of manager or managers. ALISON BEARD: Can you point to a few specific organizations that you think are doing a good job at everything you’re talking about, both allowing managers the time to do the really important work of managing, finding the right people to be managers, and just really empowering them?