SARAH GREEN CARMICHAEL: There was some horrifying statistic in the article about how many new CEOs, first time CEOs fail to have a good team in place around them. SARAH GREEN CARMICHAEL: So the challenge with having this stereotype that’s very different than what actually works in reality, right, is that some people who might be great CEOs don’t ever get hired into the role, because they don’t fit the stereotype. CURT NICKISCH: That’s Elena Botelho, a partner at ghSMART and a coauthor of the HBR article “What Sets Successful CEOs Apart,” speaking with Sarah Green Carmichael in 2017.