Janine Jackson interviewed Knowledge Ecology International’s James Love about Bill Gates and vaccine politics for the May 7, 2021, episode of CounterSpin. But it’s a pretty weak argument in this particular case because every single vaccine that’s on the market today has had the backing of governments in the development. And that’s not really completely a story of free enterprise; that’s a story of governments really putting money into developing a vaccine. For Moderna’s vaccine, for the Novavax vaccine, the Johnson & Johnson vaccine, the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine, all of those other vaccines had even more support from governments. And I think Gates is a smart guy; he’s not the only smart guy around or smart woman around.