Janine Jackson interviewed FAIR contributor Ari Paul about genocide in Gaza for the August 1, 2025, episode of CounterSpin. AP: I think it’s been very frustrating for people who have been sounding the alarm ever since October of 2023. And it’s kind of uncanny to hear media suggesting that now people are starting to say this might be a genocide. But the goal is still important.” And this sort of legitimizes what Israel is doing in Gaza. Ari Paul, thank you so much for joining us this week on CounterSpin.