And I think that kind of cascades, and we have conversations about AI ethics or AI governance into the way we approach those issues where we have this tendency to maybe forget about many of the social or material aspects that are involved in ethical reasoning around AI or making policy or governance decisions about AI, because we tend to slice off this relatively narrow set of technical features like data, algorithms, models, and we often neglect to consider that big picture view that's very slippery to handle.