Loyiso Tyabashe, CEO of South African Nuclear Energy Corporation (Necsa), outlined the nuclear energy expansion plans in the country and said that its existing reactors mean that South Africa has developed lots of nuclear skills over the years. Jan van der Lee, Executive Director of France's International Institute for Nuclear Energy (I2EN), which supports education and training in the development of nuclear energy worldwide. He said that, as with France, there had been enthusiasm and training for nuclear skills, but the 1980 decision to shut down nuclear power plants by 2010 was a "wet blanket for all education and nuclear training programmes". But not all those people are going to need to be nuclear scientists or nuclear engineers or master's or PhDs. We really, really, really need to work together."