Jesús “Chucho” García is an intellectual and activist, and the author of several books, including Afrovenezolanidad e inclusión en el Proceso Bolivariano [Afro-Venezuelanness and Inclusion in the Bolivarian Process, 2018]. In this interview, García talks about Afro-descendants’ history of struggle, the advances in the Bolivarian Process, and the pending task of building a truly inclusive society. Slavery is a crime against humanity, but the 1854 “abolition” didn’t change the criminal nature of the Venezuelan state for two reasons. The second issue that points to racial institutional hypocrisy is the fact that formerly enslaved people did not receive reparations. Twenty-three years after the beginning of the Bolivarian Process, if you turn on Telesur or Venezolana de Televisión [state-run TV outlets], how many black anchors will you see?