"Second, and I think this is the true thing that intrigues me about muscles, is that it's rare that you can see a visual display of someone's work ethic and dedication," Shepard continued. I can see, 'Wow, there's some dedication here. This is the proof of making oneself suffer for a goal," the podcast host said. "I eat in a way that, like, works for me so that I'm not miserable at all. And the esteem I get from knowing I did the thing I didn't want to do is, um, joyful; I love it," Shepard raved.