When asked what society would do with rapists after jails disappear, she offered talking points instead of an answer. The discussion covered policing, immigration, public safety, and the radical policy demands promoted by the socialist organization. That is where the conversation began exposing the enormous holes in the DSA vision for public safety. The socialist answer usually ends with taxpayers being ordered to clean up somebody else’s financial decisions. The exchange offered a sharp reminder that slogans are not policies and ideological wishes are not public safety plans.