But this explosive growth in Nigeria and Africa as a whole is not without its shadows. Bishop Mathew Hassan Kukah: Although your figures are modest, I will not argue with you because the growth of the Catholic Church has been phenomenal over time. CWR: Across Africa, the Catholic population has grown from 2 million in 1900 to 281 million today. Secularism exploited this; the Church embraced the world and became like the world it was supposed to change. CWR: Looking at the next 20 to 30 years, what is your personal vision and prayer for the Nigerian Catholic Church?