They have a marriage, they know each other well, and Todd's the only person who knows Grace from before she was into politics, before she was president. I don't have meetings with her where I discuss where I think Grace should go. And the dynamic with Kate is just, oh my God — she hates her so much, but she knows she's useful. Yeah, when Hal tells her that Kate knows what they've done with the nuclear weapon — it's such a powerful one. I don't even remember who thought of it — did Kate think of it, or did Todd?