They debate what the diary reveals about gain-of-function research, lockdowns, and the origins of the virus. Vance's new book and Ross Douthat's move from The New York Times to 60 Minutes. 19:08—Fauci's diary reveals how he controlled lockdowns. 29:47—Reliving COVID-19 through Fauci's perspective feels like a horror novel. 1:12:04—Douthat leaves The New York Times for 60 Minutes.