“It’s fine if you say you got it from me, but I don’t know where I got it from,” Johnson told Ramsamy in the phone conversation. The recording reveals Johnson, whom Ramsamy claimed was nicknamed “flip-flop knee-jerk” among Idac staff, describing the strain of her appearance before the commission. She told Ramsamy she had been unwell and requested an early adjournment on the day of her testimony. “I informed him that Advocate Johnson had lied to the ad hoc committee and I had proof of this.” “Advocate Johnson was the blue-eyed girl of Advocate Batohi.