Johanna Pirker works at the intersection of AI, games, virtual and augmented reality, and human-computer interaction. Inspired by her participation in the Nextcloud Summit 2026 panel session “From open source to open ecosystems: Europe’s next digital play”, we invited Johanna to continue the conversation in our podcast. We tap into her perspective on where gaming meets learning, learning meets AI, and where open source tools foster innovation in her fields. And finally, how can open source help us build a better future for science and innovation? Johanna Pirker Professor of Computer Science at TU Munich and TU GrazEpisode links