No, the miracle is not that anyone wanted to go to a bar with Vice President J.D. Douthat confirmed the experience — which Vance previously wrote about without naming Douthat — during a June episode of his podcast, "Interesting Times," according to the Beast. The pair were discussing their shared Catholic faith when the "mysterious" event occurred, Douthat said. The pair "stared at each other in silence for a bit, a little startled by what we’d just seen," Vance later reported. "There was a mysterious leap of a glass," Douthat later said.