ANDREW KLAVAN (HOST): I even feel this is happening -- I don't want compare JD Vance at all to Hasan Piker or anybody on the left. And -- but the thing that I want to get at most about him is that he's called himself a post-liberal conservative. You know, the liberalism has failed, meaning the ideas that went into America -- not leftism, but meaning liberalism. Now, you know, I can understand some of the things he's saying -- some of the things Vance is saying, make sense. It has always been -- you know, this idea that it was all the 1950s and the 1950s were perfect is absolutely ridiculous.