Degrees" with longtime CISO Melina Scotto, and "Male-Dominated Cyber Industry Still Holds Space for Women With Resilience" with Weave Communications CISO, Jessica Sica. And I go, "Now look at the job description, you're going to be on call. I just think that's going to be redefined as to what that is, right? They're like, great, you're going to be the CISO that actually gets scammed. And so that's what we're constantly looking for, because if you're going to do it in your daily life, you're going to do it in your professional life.