Let the CSOs have an encounter with the President, then they can push in more,” he said. “So when I heard some of the CSO members saying, no, this is just a talk shop, it is not necessary, I was like really? So let nobody say that this is just a talk shop, no. It is actually baffling that this is just a talk shop,” he stressed. On the role of advocacy, he cautioned against relying on unverified or weak scientific claims about galamsey effects, citing reports that linked galamsey to spontaneous abortions.