A new podcast explores the rights of nature movement and its potential to shift Western legal doctrine around environmental protection. If that’s legally true, then why not grant legal personhood to a watershed or a forest? They approach legal arguments with a completely different philosophy and timescale. “We’re starting to see pre-emptive laws get passed to block rights of nature legislation,” Westervelt says. In this way, Westervelt says, storytelling—be it through Indigenous knowledge-sharing or a podcast—is an effective way to explain why it’s important to protect water.