Angela Davis, for instance—who’s a leading Black feminist abolitionist who’s inspired both Mariame [Kaba] and I in this work—traces, in some ways, the conversation back to W.E.B. Then, there’s the daily spectacular forms of violence, some of which gain national attention and some don’t, that keep making the case for folks. And the point you make about the politicians around defund is really important, because defund [the police] is a very concrete demand. So that’s really important. Also, Minneapolis did the same, taking 911 out of the police department, which makes more [things] possible.