Joining Father Heine on the panel were Holy Cross Father Hubert Kavusa and De La Salle Christian Brother Matthew Kotek, both from Minnesota. Father Kavusa spoke candidly about the broader cultural challenges facing religious communities today. Citing Pope Francis’ warning about a “throw-away culture,” he shared how that mindset can also devalue aging members of religious life. “The thing I find, our guys, sometimes they don’t want to deal with reality,” Father Heine said. “Many people don’t know there is such a variety of forms of life in religious life,” Father Donio said, as he gestured to the numerous leaders present.