And always on my list was my fellow Jesuit, Cardinal Stephen Chow, the bishop of Hong Kong. Early on in our conversation, Cardinal Chow said something that I had never heard before, when I asked him about his vocation to the Jesuits. As Cardinal Chow says in our interview:Do not trivialize discernment. Writ large, discernment is what animated the conclave that Cardinal Chow participated in. “What is more important for me is how did we learn to listen to each other, to the Holy Spirit?” he told me.