"But even saying that at times is cause of greater pain for the victims," Pope Leo acknowledged. On the topic of President Trump, Pope Leo said he had not met the president nor spoken to him, although his brother Louis has and "has been very outspoken about his political views." Regarding the war in Gaza, Pope Leo told Allen that "the word genocide is being thrown around more and more. "I in no way pretend to be wiser or more experienced than all those who have come before me," Pope Leo said. "I think to lose that relationship will leave science as an empty, cold shell that will do great damage to what humanity is about," Pope Leo said.