Madonna made her first-ever podcast appearance on Monday (September 29) during a new episode of Jay Shetty’s On Purpose. “My soul’s purpose is to reveal light in the world through whatever I do,” she tells Shetty, while adding, “You need to be spiritual to be successful. Success is having a spiritual life, period. I wouldn’t be here if I didn’t have one.” Madonna also reflected on her decision to forgive her estranged brother, Christopher Ciccone, as the one year anniversary of his death approaches in October. It was such a load off my back, such a weight that was removed,” she recalled.