This week's episode of Faith and Reason also includes a discussion about Cardinal Cupich's controversial decision to honor a pro-abortion Democrat senator. The panel opened the episode by discussing Pope Leo XIV’s first extended interview with Crux Now. Murr emphasized that the Church’s doctrine can never change, and Pope Leo likely avoided saying this to try to please all sides of the Church. “The teachings of the Church, doctrine and dogma, and morals, they don’t change. “Maybe (Pope Leo) could have inserted the word ‘impossible.’ (And said doctrine is) ‘Impossible to change.