It is produced much earlier from the compounded impact of exclusion across mainstream schooling, special education settings and the transition points between them. Within the school system, Malaysia operates special education integration programmes (PPKI) embedded within mainstream schools. Anit Kaur Randhawa, Parent Advocate, Advocate & Solicitor and Podcaster, Kita Family Podcast. Jo-Anne Leslie de Vries, Parent Advocate, Advocate & Solicitor. Mohd Farhan bin Kamarzaman, Deaf, Deaf Media & Technology Association.