Sara Kloek is VP of education and youth policy for the Software & Information Industry Association (SIIA), a large trade organization. “Yes or no, age verification is good or age verification is bad – I don’t think that’s something we can answer without considering what we’re trying to protect children from.” Porn is one thing, but legislation has already identified other targets. Kloek says there are “some deep divides within our membership on the right approach” to online safety legislation. She emphasizes the importance of defining covered platforms, noting that social media laws like Australia’s are structured to apply to a limited number of large sites. Katherine Haas similarly calls out social media companies, in particular, for objecting to age assurance laws on the grounds that they would mean collecting too much user data.