Responding, Usman told the court that none of the names he called was a witness before the court. When he was asked if the six victims were interviewed in the presence of Mamu, the PW-6 responded in the negative. The witness told the court that he was not a vocologist, having not studied sound in higher institution. “Was it in the presence of the defendant?” Usman asked. “Finally, did you interviewed Hannafi of Defence Military Intelligence,” the lawyer asked and the witness responded in the negative.