"Did you say to Chard 'was Avzi trying to cut your grass?'" defence barrister Charlotte Smith asked Det Sgt McClelland. "It was language that was comfortable in that environment," Det Sgt McClelland said. "I was trying to gauge where Mr Chard fit into the picture." Her son, Cory Casson-McLean, was initially a suspect in Mr Ejupi's death, Det Sgt McClelland said.